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UPDATE: Wisconsin Temple Shooting Touches Sikh Communities

The Gurudwara Singh Sabha of Washington in Renton serves about 25,000 Sikhs in the area.

The  Sunday morning that left seven dead, including the shooter, is reaching communities far beyond Oak Creek, Wis.

According to police, three bodies were found outside the temple in Oak Creek and four were inside the building. At least three others were injured, including the first police officer who responded to the incident.

Sikh communities around the country, including the  in Renton, were touched by Sunday's violence, . 

“Our prayers are with the families of those who lost their lives in this senseless shooting,” said Paramjit Singh of Gurudwara Singh Sabha of Washington. “We are grateful for the bravery of the police officers that responded and prevented this from becoming an even bigger tragedy.”

"We're feeling really sad right now because of the shooting," , one of the directors at the Sikh Gurdwara Temple in San Jose, the largest in North America. "It's tragic it happened in a religious place. We condemn all shootings, including the one in Colorado. We're peace loving people and we live in harmony with other communities."  

And in Iowa,  thoughtfully on the shootings: "I won't fight it," said Jeevanjot Singh. "I won't get angry. I'll just pray that it won't happen again."

The temple in Renton serves about 25,000 Sikhs, according to its website.

Singh said racial profiling in the form of violent hate crimes, employment discrimination, school bullying and even secondary screenings at the airports faced by Sikhs, Muslims and other communities that appear Middle Eastern are a daily reminder of the climate of xenophobia in America.

“This incident highlights the post 9/11 climate and must be used as an opportunity to have a broader dialogue on religious pluralism in America,” Singh said. “We need a national dialogue to dispel the ignorance that causes some communities to be targeted and feel like second-class citizens in their own country.”

Patch also reached out to the Gurudwara Sikh Centre of Seattle based in Bothell, but it was not available for comments on Sunday.

If you're looking for information resources on the Sikh community, the Wing Luke Asian Museum in Seattle hosted a special exhibition in 2005-2006 on the 100-plus-year history of Sikhs in the Pacific Northwest.

We ask you, Patch readers, when something violent happens such as this shooting or the recent movie theater shootings in Colorado, how do you talk about it with your family? Do you let your children watch news coverage on TV or online? Do you discuss what might have caused it, safety issues, or communities that might be different than your own? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

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Greg Johnston (Editor) August 6, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Thank you for the comments -- including Dave's anti-gun control ramble. It might seem indelicate and inappropriate, but that issue will be part of the fall-out from this horrible tragedy. I think Kathleen's reaction puts it very well for most of us.
Bob McCoy August 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm
"No man is an iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee...." --John Donne
The Sikhs I have known embrace mankind and peace. This senseless tragedy diminishes all of us. My condolences go out to the families of victims, as well as to the community.
Irene Potter August 6, 2012 at 01:54 pm
Kathleen and Bob McCoy, thank you for your kind, thoughtful words. You are far more eloquent than I could possibly be. I join all who are saddened by this senseless, useless happening. May we somehow start to build toward a world without all this. I personally know no one in the Sikh community, but I wish to reach across this gulf to extent a hand of helpful healing in this time of great pain.
Irene Potter
Karen Lebeter August 6, 2012 at 03:46 pm
I wonder if this was another case of someone mistaking a Sikh for a Muslim? While I was in the Army, there was an American girl that was a Muslim in Basic Training with me. While I was stationed at Ft. Hood, there was a Sikh man in the 2nd Armored Division with me. I don't understand the hate and intolerance that is everywhere now, even Facebook. The religious intolerance really scares me since I am Jewish. Almost all religions believe that there are many paths to God, but it seems that some Christians don't think so.
Jeanne Gustafson (Editor) August 6, 2012 at 05:46 pm
Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Irene, and I agree, Kathleen and Bob both expressed themselves eloquently.
Greg Johnston (Editor) August 6, 2012 at 06:10 pm
Religious intolerance should scare us all Karen. Freedom to believe whatever we may is the very founding principal of this nation.
I am a SIKH, who wears a turban and keeps beard and I hope that the efforts me and my wife put in to make sure our son follows us and one proudly wears a turban and keeps his beard like me, my father, my grand father and great grand father ... America I am sure my son will get a chance to be a SIKH and not be fearful after attacks like these.
Kirkland Tony August 6, 2012 at 07:25 pm
Karen, you're mixing religious intolerance with cultural defensiveness. There is a perception that the most violent terrorists are Muslim. Certainly the recent killing of Somali comedian Abdi Jeylani Malaq, the bombings and arson against five Danish embassies after the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons, the killing of Theodoor "Theo" van Gogh, the death threats, arrests and aborted bomb attack against Lars Vilks... the list is really endless... supports that perception.
Some people are too small-minded to separate the religion from those using it as a rallying banner for violence, and this isn't helped by the complicit silence of other Muslims, failing to denounce these jihads. But that doesn't make an attack against a large group of Muslims intrinsically "religious" intolerance. Don't respond to the shooter's ignorance and profiling with your own; see past that to the motives and it may be that he considered it a cultural or even defensive battle, with no knowledge of religion. Given that he picked on the wrong religion entirely, that seems more likely.
CoreyAnn August 7, 2012 at 01:13 am
May I list a few more terrorist killings:
- Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols: Killed 169, Injured over 680 (they were right-wing conspiracy nuts) - Anders Behring Breivik of Norway: Killed 69, Injured an additional 110 (he was a right-wing islamophobe) - Jared Lee Loughner: Killed 6, Injured 12 (he spouted right-wing platitudes) Then you have the Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, and James Eagan Holmes who just simply have mental issues. Maybe its time for me to be "culturally defensive" against white, anglo-saxon men!?! I don't buy your line of reasoning and chalk it up to plain old religious intolerance/bigotry or xenophobia. In fact, I'm worried about comments you make like "that doesn't make an attack against a large group of Muslims intrinsically 'religious' intolerance" and "considered it a cultural or even defensive battle". That you seem to think that there are occasions where a "cultural" or "defensive" battle against Muslims is okay is worrisome. That line of thinking is what lead to this massacre. I pray that you aren't the next assailant.
Kirkland Tony August 7, 2012 at 09:38 am
CoreyAnn, your post is so full of remedial errors it's hard to read.
1. You respond to my short list of specifically Muslim terrorism with one of random killings united under your view of "right wing platitudes". Which is right there a term without a definition. Jared was under psych care, McVeigh was a self-proclaimed agnostic. Is "right wing" a religion now? 2. You ignore the disproportion. I didn't mention 9/11, Fort Hood, the near constant bombings in the Middle East. Look at the FBI terrorism overview (http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications); the majority of ALL terrorism in the U.S. is Muslim based. Do you then say the investigators must have been religiously intolerant xenophobes? 3. You also skipped over the "perception" bit. Quick, name, oh, 10 acts of U.S. terrorism in the last 20 years perpetrated by observant Lutherans or Jews. Oh, but in your book, pointing out Muslim terrorism in the name of Allah as religious is intolerant? 4. And then you attack me... if you as a leftist don't like what someone said, accuse them of prejudice. Which doesn't really win you debates. Yes, they stop, but not because your ideas made any points. More because that false invective you spray is unpleasant. Murder is wrong. A "culture war" isn't. It's scary that you don't consider it your duty to fight a culture supportive of rape, honor killings, subjugation of women, etc. I do pray you never become a member of any thought police!
Kirkland Tony August 7, 2012 at 10:19 am
I do want to clarify, before you twist more of my words, a "culture war" isn't fought with guns, bombs or terrorism. The shooting of the Sikhs was murder.
Greg Johnston (Editor) August 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The killer was a white supremacist who hated Jews Tony, that's religious intolerance.
Local Guy August 7, 2012 at 02:19 pm
"As long as Americans keep putting their own religion above all others and proclaim that there is only one way toward salvation, we are going to have this tension."
Wow! I had no idea worldwide religious "tension" could be resolved so easily... Damn those Americans...
Greg Johnston (Editor) August 7, 2012 at 07:22 pm
As editor of Kirkland Patch, I would respectfully urge everyone here to respond to what is being said without flaming the speaker.
Kirkland Tony August 7, 2012 at 09:25 pm
Gerard (et al)... as soon as you mention the words xenophobia, x intolerance, sexism or racism, you capitulate not just the high ground but any chance of winning hearts and minds. Your closed-minded labels have long since lost their stigma, having been over-used since P.C.-ism took the stage in the early 80s.
Let's try taking out the invective. Take CoreyAnn's point... I'm guessing since she made a hash of it in lack of proportion and use of labels, but I think she meant... "Terrorism isn't just the resort of Muslims" And then, consequentially (if fallacially), ... "Attacking a religious group is religious intolerance". Had she actually said that, it could have been discussed. But she did the equivalent of invoking "Hitler" and immediately lost by virtue of Godwin's law. I'm trying to understand your initial point, but Americans are far more diverse than, say, Persians. The country neither launches nor supports the concept of Jihad. 20% claim no religion. According to both the Millennium Study and Gallop, only 40% of Americans claim to go to weekly worshiper, and only about 23% actually do. Hardly the profile of a zealous nation. So what precisely was your point, in the context of Iran pledging to destroy all infidels, the context of Saudi Arabia claiming that even tourists bringing a bible, crucifix, Torah, in risk confiscation? If we're zealous while being the most tolerant, who's left?
Alan Brittenham August 8, 2012 at 10:16 am
Count the bodies over the millennia. Isn't it clear that the problem is all religions? How many more must die before the human race outgrows the myths of antiquity? :-{)}
Greg Johnston (Editor) August 8, 2012 at 11:43 am
Gurinder, thank you for your comments and be assured that the overwhelmingly majority of Americans support your right and your son's right to do just that!
Kirkland Tony August 8, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Let's do that, shall we? The biggest death-count ever was WWII. Was this religious? How precisely.
The worst percentage loss for the U.S. was the Civil War. Was this religious? Perhaps the most destructive uprising for civilization was the French Revolution, which at most would be described as anti-religious (and anti-establishment and anti-everything else.) What religion foisted this upon Europe? So no, it isn't clear that the problem is "all" religions. It may be ignorance. Let's try to stamp that out, starting with correcting your assumption. ;)
Greg Johnston (Editor) August 8, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Tony, I appreciate your comments, they're thoughtful, but invariably they are directed at denigrating those of others. Tell us what you think, but leave out the belittling stuff, it's getting tiresome.
All,
We have freedom of speech, and respect that. What I mind confusing is the Topic is X in simple English about Killing innocent people, lets forget about Religion for discussion purpose. So my question is ... Are we actually have a discussion about the Topic at all? I can add - I know we will come out of it more stronger, because now we (SIKHS) have got attention from "ALL AMERICANS". I can only say, I will stronger that my son will be following me in keeping the religion faith that my Dad gave to me. Which I am very proud of. My head is high with pride, that the President of this great country ordered the Flag be flown at half-staff http://www.sikhnn.com/headlines/1906/president-orders-flag-half-staff This can only happen in this great country. And I am proud to a American-SIKH citizen and so is my son and my wife. Thank you for allowing me to live the American dream with my hard work and hopefully I can make a difference to return this to my community in USA.
Thank you Greg. Very much appreciated.
MJ August 8, 2012 at 01:19 pm
I wasn’t going to join this discussion, but now I feel I must. You may not like what Tony has to say because it is difficult to hear, but he does have a point (even if he delivers it a little harshly). We as Americans try to be religiously tolerant, but some religions practice ideas that run contrary to our country’s values. It is true that many Muslims countries believe in the subjugation of women. We find that horrific not because we hate the religion, but because as Americans we refuse to accept a culture that mutilates women. This is a cultural difference-not religious intolerance.
In general the acts of terrorism are not only a result of religious intolerance, they are the actions of disturbed individuals who feel strongly about their beliefs and are not mentally or emotionally capable of a peaceful argument. There are numerous factors involved, and to say it is only a result of religious intolerance unjustly simplifies the argument.
Local Guy August 8, 2012 at 01:29 pm
I do not find KT's 'denigrations' any more tiresome then others in this thread. While his might be more pointed, others are broad brush stroking. Who is to say one is more offensive then the other? And frankly, one poster's "I pray that you aren't the next assailant" pretty much took the prize in my book for pointed, backdoor inference...
Gurinder's point of view is the most poignant, and the one we all should take away from these comments.
Greg Johnston (Editor) August 8, 2012 at 01:37 pm
Local Guy, yes, KT is not the only one flaming others -- I urged all to be civil in an earlier comment. My fear is that other folks will not want to post their thoughts for fear they'll get ripped. I agree wholeheartedly that Gurinder's perspective is the best take-away of this entire -- and I might add very interesting -- discussion.
Kaedy Nelson August 8, 2012 at 05:13 pm
My heart broke when I heard about the shooting, I will never understand. I will also never understand someone who so believe their own point of view that they cannot stop for one second to consider the other. That they feel justified in the destruction they bring upon others. We may not agree with other religions, lifestyles or cultures but we must respect their right to exist.
I am not religious but I fully believe in, "Do unto other as you would have done unto you."
Margaret Santjer (Editor) August 8, 2012 at 06:21 pm
A vigil of remembrance is planned for Saturday in Renton. You can find details here: http://renton.patch.com/articles/renton-vigil-planned-to-remember-wisconsin-sikh-temple-shooting-victims
Margaret,
Thanks for sharing the info, it is good to know people care. I wanted to share this great write up which describes "Sikhs" in plain and simple English, do read it perhaps it will give a better understanding of what / who we are. http://princeofpunjab.blogspot.com/2012/08/dear-wade-michael-page.html?m=1 Thanks and good night all.
CT August 9, 2012 at 05:48 pm
So many shootings take place - and I don't think this can be classified as hate crime. The shooter shot himself to death as well at the end - movie massacre does not mean theatres are in danger or theater owners are at fault. No way. There is no need to sensitize this kind of shooting and Iam sure the Sikh community has the protection that it deserves.
Michelle Smith August 9, 2012 at 06:57 pm
I was really impressed by this. Thank you for sharing, Gurinder.
Laurie Miller August 9, 2012 at 07:40 pm
Faith, politics, mental status, fanaticism, lack of tolerance.....what it boils down to is man's inhumanity to man. Life is a gift no matter the faith, political view, et al. When we as human beings begin to acknowledge, trust and understand this...the world would be a much better place. We may not be able to control others in their thought, word or deed, but we can control ourselves by re-addressing our own thoughts, actions and perspectives. Life so is so very precious that as like with many things in this world, we waste it unnecessarily. Is it so hard to agree to disagree and reach out a hand in friendship? Not one to look through rose colored glasses at life and the world. But sometimes, the answer is far more simple than we choose to believe.

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